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Ashley Anderson joined Verity Homes in 2015 as a Sales Assistant, and quickly demonstrated a mastery of organization and attention to detail as she helped New Home Specialists complete paperwork, manage the sales process and ensure clear communication with their customers. Her value to the team was evident from the start, and Ashley soon earned a promotion to Sales & Marketing Manager, overseeing all day-to-day processes, long-term planning and budgeting for the sales and marketing departments. During her time with Verity Homes, Ashley discovered a real passion for both home building and interior design. She took on the responsibilities of picking out selections for both inventory homes, as well as new customer homes, and found not only did she have a passion for it, she had a keen eye and a style that our customers really connected with. Today, Ashley continues to be our lead Selections Coordinator, taking customers through the entire process of picking out all the finishing touches for their customized homes. In 2020, Ashley was again promoted to the position of Marketing Director, formally recognizing the leadership role she had long held within the company. Her favorite part of job is coming up with creative ways to market to our three target demographics (first time home buyer, first time move up and empty nester) and relying on analytics to see results and better our efforts based off those results. Her husband, Rory Anderson, is also on team Verity, and together the two head up the Sales and Marketing teams, overseeing efforts in both Bismarck and Fargo markets.

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Rory Anderson has been a core member of the Verity Homes family for more than ten years. He was our top sales producer year after year, and currently serves as the Director of Sales for Verity Homes. As Director, Rory provides each of our customers with a wealth of building knowledge and experience and is also a dedicated mentor to the rest of our sales team. Rory’s 20+ career in sales began with some family inspiration. His father, Tom Anderson, spent more than 25 years of his sales career with the Chrysler Corporation. Rory followed suit and worked in the automotive industry for 10 years, eight of which he spent in the role of Finance Director where he gained valuable experience that he uses today helping Verity Homes’ customers manage their budgets wisely throughout the building process. After a decade or so in the car business, Rory determined the sales model used at the dealerships was too focused on getting the sale and not focused nearly enough on delivering a quality buying experience for his customers. So, when he learned about the customer-centric model being used at Verity Homes, the decision to join the team was easy and he hasn’t looked back since. Rory has held numerous accreditations and certifications in both Sales and Financing, along with being elected and/or appointed to a Director or Board member role with the Bismarck-Mandan Home Builders Association, the North Dakota Association of Builders and the Fargo-Moorhead Home Builders Association. As our Director of Sales, Rory likes to personally meet each customer and be involved and help however he can in order to ensure a next-level experience for all customers of Verity Homes. Rory works with his wife, Ashley Anderson (Director of Marketing), at Inspirations by Verity in our Fargo headquarters and enjoys what the Fargo-Moorhead community has to offer. In their spare time, Rory and Ashley enjoy watching their son, Trevor, compete in numerous high school sports activities throughout the year.

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Sebastian (Bash) Milz joined the Verity Homes team early on in the company’s expansion eastward into the Fargo-West Fargo market. He is the epitome of a team player, pitching in his skills and expertise in nearly every department at one time or another. He currently serves as VP of Creative Marketing, putting his graphic design skills to use on the website, brochures and all forms of digital marketing and branding. Bash grew up in Texas, but with a father in the military he spent several years overseas. His life experience has been a huge asset to Verity Homes. He earned his Associates degree in Graphic Design and Photography, as well as a Bachelor’s in Graphic Art and a minor in Marketing. His professional resume includes positions in the construction industry, lending and underwriting and hospitality. Though he likes to keep himself as busy as possible with work and freelance opportunities, Bash is a bigtime fisherman during the summer. He’s also got a young daughter who loves to spend time with her father reading, playing and getting into mischief.

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Marisa Biggerstaff joined the finance team at Verity Homes early in 2022 as a Financial Analyst. She will be assisting the Finance Team with a wide range of projects related to reporting, cash forecasting, budget analysis, account reconciliation, preparing journal entries, posting business transactions and various month-end close tasks.

A native of Fargo, ND, Marisa earned her degree in finance from Concordia College in Moorhead, MN. She worked at First International Bank and Trust, as well as Border Bank in Fargo prior to joining Verity Homes, and she specialized in credit and risk analysis.

She and her fiance are looking forward to their upcoming fall wedding in 2022, and the two currently live in West Fargo with their puppy, Luna, and kitty, Neville. In the summer months, you’ll find the whole crew enjoying “lakes country” and basking in the warm weather.”

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Becky Fell joined the Verity Team in 2020 as part of our expanding accounting department. Her role has her overseeing accounts payable, HR onboarding for new team members, as well as accounting functions for our rental home division. A graduate of Minnesota State University Moorhead, Becky is originally from Hankinson, ND and came to Verity Homes looking for a new adventure with some very familiar responsibilities. Becky served as Accounting Manager for many years with Tharaldson Property Management/TMI Hospitality, as well as with Meridian Commercial Construction. So, yes, she brings a wealth of experience and direct expertise in the world of construction and project management. When she’s not crunching numbers or perfecting her Excel spreadsheeting, Becky is a busy mom to three kids and is looking forward to an October 2021 wedding! She enjoys traveling, movies, thunderstorms, walks, trapshooting and spending time with friends and family… and the occasional happy hour on the patio.

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Aaron Tacket joined Verity Homes in 2021 as the company’s first-ever Chief People Officer and brings over 25 years of home building experience, having worked for some of the largest and most successful public and private home builders in some of the most competitive and challenging markets in the nation. Aaron’s love and dedication to home building earned him the NAHB’s most coveted designation — “Master In Residential Marketing” (MIRM) — that represents the pinnacle of new home sales education, placing him in a highly exclusive club of home building leaders nationwide.

Prior to beginning his home building career, Aaron attended Northern Kentucky University, majoring in Organizational Leadership. After graduating, Aaron proudly served in The United States Air Force and is a decorated veteran of Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

Aaron has held numerous executive-level positions during his career, including VP of Sales and Marketing, Division President, Regional VP of Sales and National Sales Director. He has helped build local, regional and national award-winning sales and marketing teams that have successfully closed more than $6 billion dollars worth of real estate in over 32 different markets throughout the Southeast, Midwest and Texas markets.

Aaron and his wife, Kristi, have five amazing children and three beautiful grandchildren, who affectionately call them Pops and Koko.

Tory Haglund joined the Verity Homes team in early 2022 as a Purchasing Coordinator in our production support department. His work — like all of Team Verity — is focused on the customer experience and delivering peace of mind throughout the construction process by delivering accurate project estimates for each new build. He works closely with our trade partners and suppliers to ensure everything needed for a project is available, affordable and delivered on time and on budget. 

 

Tory is a native of Lake Park, MN, just a short drive from Detroit Lakes and the heart of Minnesota’s lake country. He attended Hamline University in St. Paul, earning a degree in economics. He’s a “numbers guy” through and through who loves to dive deep into spreadsheets, costs and analytics. Prior to joining Verity, he worked as a financial analyst for a telecom company that specialized in helping growing companies with their telecom services and expense management.

 

In his free time, Tory is as big a gamer as he is a number cruncher. And when he’s not gaming, he’s either working on a new computer or tech project or out enjoying the beautiful Midwest outdoors.

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Rick Kramlich joined the Verity Homes team in late 2021, taking on the role of Builder. Rick is a Minot native and attended NDSU and Thomas Edison State College, earning a Bachelor’s degree in Construction Management. He was an Non-Commissioned Officer and Engineering Officer during his 20-career with the United States Army and National Guard. He completed several deployments, including to Kosovo, Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.

 

Rick started his building career with his father, Gary Kramlich, first helping his dad build houses, doing rental maintenance and flipping houses. Prior to joining Team Verity, he spent much of the past decade in the custom home building market, as well as five years working the oil fields in the Heavy Highway and Oil Field Development industry.

 

Rick has had the distinct pleasure of being able to build things in multiple different countries, several states and a number of different cities. His motto is “Always leave it better than how you found it.” When not working at a Verity Homes job site, Rick enjoys fishing, hunting, working on his 1966 Mustang, as well as coaching baseball, football and wrestling. Rick and his wife, Katie, have two sons: Max and Cole..

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Rob joined the Verity Homes team in the Fargo office in late 2021 as a Project Manager. He brings years of experience in both building residential homes as well as leading large teams of associates in the corporate world. Rob has a passion for building excellence as well as forging relationships with clients will last beyond just building them a house.

 

Rob is a Fargo native, sort of…He’s lived here on and off for most of his life, while also spending time in Colorado, Washington, Minnesota, South Dakota, Georgia and Alabama! Rob came back to Fargo in 2014 and started another construction company with his dad where he says he earned his PHD in residential building. Joining the Verity team and being able to collaborate with all of the talent already in place on the team is very exciting. Rob is a field guy at heart and loves to be out on the job sites, in and around the guys on the front lines that are building the homes.

 

When not at work, Rob enjoys spending time with his wife, Christy and their two sons, Jacob and Brandon, as well as their dog Sophie and their three cats, Dexter, Rex and Roxie. He also enjoys playing golf, riding motorcycles and snowmobiles and cooking up delicious meat on his pellet smoker.

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With fifteen years of international commercial and residential construction and managerial experience, Nate Parent brings expertise, passion and attention to detail to each and every job site. As your Personal Builder, Nate takes professional pride in craftsmanship, customer relationships and delivering Peace of Mind to our Verity Homes customers. His extensive first-hand knowledge of the Bismarck construction environment gives him the understanding to schedule with confidence, anticipate any bottlenecks and ensuring a quality product on time and on budget.

Born in the US and raised in New Zealand, Nate was employed by Naylor Love, one of New Zealand’s largest and most successful construction firms. After relocating to North Dakota in 2012, Nate has been instrumental in delivering commercial projects in Bismarck, Williston and Dickinson, many of which were multi-million-dollar developments. Nate is currently enrolled in the Business Degree program at the University of Mary.

Nate met his wife Amanda in Dickinson and, when not mountain biking around Lake Harmon or sporting clay shooting, keeps busy on their North Bismarck hobby farm with three daughters, mules, horses, two dogs and plenty of DIY projects.

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Emily Chase has loved residential construction since she took her first drafting class in high school. The idea of giving people a place to make all their own and build memories with their families is why she does what she does. Emily graduated from Brigham Young University – Idaho, with a degree in Construction Management with an emphasis in Business Management and Architecture. Shortly after graduating, she became part of the Verity Homes team, working as a purchasing assistant and drafter. Her role has since grown to focus primarily on purchasing and estimating. Since joining the Verity team, she has created estimates for hundreds of homes and spent countless hours making sure estimates and selling prices are as accurate as possible to give our customers a realistic plan for budgeting and building their dream home. When she isn’t working, she enjoys spending time with her husband, close friends and family, especially when pizza is involved!

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Arthur Goldammer is the founder and current CEO of Verity Homes, Inc. (VHI), which launched in 2006. His career in the construction industry, however, began when we founded Goldammer Contracting in 2002, a Bismarck-based firm dedicated to custom home and commercial construction, as well as home remodeling and improvement projects.

He went on to create and lead VHI from a start-up in 2006 — during the start of the housing downturn — to one of the largest home building companies in central North Dakota. Under his direction, the company has since expanded to the eastern side of the state, opening a new custom home design center in Fargo in 2018, which earned national distinction as a “Top 5 Design Studios in the US” by the National Homebuilders Association. Today, Verity Homes offers customers in North Dakota’s two major markets a personal home building experience no other competitor can match.

Arthur’s extensive experience in the construction industry goes back to his childhood, when he could be seen wearing around his first tool belt and swinging a toy hammer. His passion for construction never wavered, and in fact it grew to include delivering personal, customer-focused experiences that competitors now try to duplicate.

Arthur has spent the bulk of his professional career managing, developing and growing his various construction firms and company portfolios. His roles and duties include negotiating land acquisition, land development, product development, staff coaching & training. He attended the University of Mary for four years prior to venturing out into the business arena.

In the few hours he allows himself away from the work desk, Arthur loves to get out and enjoy the great outdoors with his wife, Rachel Goldammer. 

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Sabrina (Bree) Jahner joined the Verity Homes team in 2010 as an Administrative Assistant and has since been promoted to lead roles as Warranty Administrator and Customer Care Coordinator. Prior to joining the Verity team, she gained valuable experience in sales, public relations and supervisory positions with various local companies. As the Warranty Administrator, Bree is the primary contact for new homeowners after they have moved into their home, assisting them in any way to make sure their Verity experience is the best it can be and ensuring Peace of Mind. As the Customer Care Coordinator, her role is to be the primary contact for tenants of GoldStar Property Management. She assists them with maintenance, service and billing related items. Besides the official titles that Bree holds, she has grown to become a valuable member of the team while assisting other team members with her broad knowledge based and years of experience that she has earned over the years. She is a key player in the day-to-day operations here at Verity Homes. Bree grew up on a small farm in North Dakota, where she learned the value of hard work, dedication and determination. Bree uses these skills to assist homeowners and tenants and ensure they have a great experience with both Verity and GoldStar. When she’s not hard at work serving the needs of our customers, Bree loves spending her down time with family, friends and her two favorite pups at home.

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Chloe Bentson joined the Verity Homes team early in 2021, taking on the position of Closing Coordinator & Sales Associate. In her new role, she will play an important part in the final steps of the new home construction process, helping customers stay on track with their closing schedule. Born in Fargo, ND, Chloe actually grew up as a farm kid just outside of Mott, ND. She worked in the medical field — in the operating room, to be precise — for the previous seven years before deciding the time was right to make a change. She was drawn to Verity thanks to the company’s commitment to the communities we serve, our customers and our fellow team members. Chloe is also a mom to a little girl and enjoys spending her free time with family and playing pinochle. You will also find her outside on the water in the summer, playing the piano and participating in volleyball or some pickup basketball when the opportunity arises.

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Katie Zimmer joined the Verity Homes team in 2021 as a New Home Specialist, bringing with her more than 10 years of sales and customer service experience, ranging from auto sales to clothing. She knows how to put the customer’s needs first and prioritizes open communication with her home buyers. Katie was born and raised in Bismarck, so she knows the market extremely well. Her husband is also a Bismarck native, and the two have a not-so-secret love of games. ALL GAMES, as she will tell you. Indoor or outdoor, board games or card games, if they’re not playing they’re sucked into a Netflix binge (mention anything starring Adam Sandler and you’ll be fast friends). Katie came on board with Verity Homes to grow as a person and a professional. She is fascinated by architecture and her passion shows through with every customer interaction. Katie will definitely work overtime to help you realize your dream home.

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DeAnn Dingus was no stranger to the Verity Homes team when she came on board early in 2021. She and her husband have been longtime Bismarck residents and friends with several Veritans. So she was a natural fit and took on the role of New Home Specialist, helping customers through the home building process. DeAnn brings a true desire to help others to her customer relationships. As a former daycare owner and operator, that part of the job comes easily to her. But she also has a background in sales and plans to get her real estate license in order to gain a wider audience of home buyers. When she’s not working a deal or making a visit to a job site with her customers, DeAnn loves to spend time at the lake and on the river with her friends and family. She is active in volleyball and adult kickball leagues, and is always busy chasing after her three kids (who are also busy with traveling sports and various activities).

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Spencer Nordman joined Verity Homes in 2021 as Controller on the accounting team. His a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) and brings several years of financial experience to the team, having spent three years in public accounting with Widmer Roel and five years in various internal audit and fraud prevention roles with Discovery Benefits (now WEX Health). Spencer earned his Bachelor’s of Science degree in accounting from NDSU in Fargo. He and his wife have a young son and another baby on the way (and by the time you read this, they’ll likely be a family of four already!). Like every good accountant, Spencer likes to hit the golf course as much as possible, although he admits his time on the links has greatly diminished since becoming a father. And like every good Midwesterner, he spends most summer weekends at the lake with his family and friends.

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Ben Hanson joined the Verity Homes team in the summer of 2017, taking on the role of Internet Sales Association. Like most everyone on the Verity Homes team, however, Ben’s role quickly expanded to include other duties all with the goal of delivering Peace of Mind to our customers. A writer by training — with more than 15 years of experience — one of Ben’s additional roles is that of company copywriter. When there’s a press release that needs writing or a webpage that needs editing, Ben’s the one everyone turns to for help. His main focus is on educating new visitors to the website or to our Fargo design studio, where he is based. He earned his Bachelor’s Degree in English and Mass Communications from Minnesota State University – Moorhead in 2005. When he’s not “clocked in” at Verity, Ben still finds time to freelance, writing feature stories for various advertising clients, as well as a bi-monthly column in a local Fargo magazine. His online persona — Mr. Full-Time Dad — is more than an alter ego… as his favorite role is that of father to his two kids, Macklin and Harrison.

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Jaymie Emmerich joined the Verity Homes team in 2021 as our Senior Financial Analyst. She brings several years of financial industry experience to the team, including more than 10 years with Gate City Bank and nearly two years with First Western Bank and Trust. As a volunteer with Junior Achievement and United Way, her dedication to her community fits perfectly within the core values of Verity Homes.

Jaymie was born and raised in Moorhead, MN, and she is busy raising two kids, Jack and Mason. She is creative, passionate and committed to her work on the Verity accounting team. Away from the office, it’s sports, sports, sports! She is an avid golfer (don’t you have to be if you ever worked at a bank?), loves to watch hockey and describes fantasy football as her “jam.”

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David Flakker joined the Verity Homes team in 2021 and currently leads the company’s Purchasing and Estimating team. He brings more than 25 years of combined experience in residential construction and technical support. He’s a wizard with excel and numbers, ensuring our customers’ have reliable and consistent costs in order to make informed decisions about their home budget. Prior to coming on board with Verity, David held the titles of Manager of Design and Drafting, as well as Purchasing, Estimating and Drafting Manager for another locally owned home builder serving the eastern North Dakota markets of Fargo and Grand Forks. So he hit the ground running when he joined Verity. In his free time, David enjoys traveling, tinkering on home improvement projects, gardening, cooking and “dog waste cleanup” in the backyard.

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Vecta Tietz joined the Verity Homes team in 2021, already a well-known face to the team. Her husband, Chris, is the Managing Director for our sister company, Kreativ Homes. Vecta took on the position of Starts Coordinator for Verity and will ensure our production schedule runs smoothly from the get go. Vecta grew up in a small town in Montana, where her family still resides. She met Chris and started a family (two boys, Trevin and Treys), and they moved around from ND to SD to MT before ultimately returning to the Bismarck-Mandan community they have called home since 2007. Before joining Team Verity, Vecta spent years working in the banking world, most of it as a loan officer. In her time away from the office, Vecta and her family love spending time on the river in the summer months, while hiding out inside playing games with family and friends during the winter.

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Mark Feeney is the Chief Financial Officer for Verity Homes. He is responsible for the overall financial management of the company, including finance operations, financial reporting and long-term strategic planning with an overall goal of implementing dynamic financial systems and processes to enhance financial performance. Mark brings more than 20 years of financial leadership experience to Verity Homes. Prior to joining Verity Homes in 2019, Mark was the Director of Internal Controls for Discovery Benefits, a third-party benefits administration firm; Chief Financial Officer for Dakota Supply Group, a distribution firm; and he also held various finance leadership roles at Microsoft over the course of a 12-year career at the company’s Fargo site. Mark is a Certified Public Accountant with a Bachelor of Science Degree in Accounting from Minnesota State University – Moorhead.

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Chris Tietz is the General Manager of Kreativ Homes, a new modular/manufactured home division within the greater Verity Homes portfolio. He is a North Dakota native who grew up in Williston, eventually making his way to Bismarck, where he and his wife, Vecta, live with their two sons. Chris earned his Bachelor of Science degree in Advertising and has a real passion for finding new ways to connect with customers. He has been in sales for more than 20 years, and over the past ten years he has become a leader in the Upper Midwest for his work in the manufactured / modular / system-built homes industry. For her role, Vecta brings decades of experience in the world of banking to Kreativ Homes, and she will help to guide customers through their different financing options. She will also be the design expert when the new clients are choosing their décor. Chris’ main drive is to find affordable, creative solutions that deliver high quality housing for North Dakota and throughout the region. His goal in developing Kreativ Homes was to constantly improve the customer experience from the start of the process all the way through closing and handing over of the keys. After spending more than a decade in the industry, he realized most modular home builders are stuck in the old ways of doing business, even though the industry is perfectly suited to harness advancements in technology to improve efficiency and overall customer service. Chris and the Kreativ Homes team recognize the opportunity to combine the big benefits of system-built homes — affordability, customization, faster construction timelines — with a modern experience that puts the customer in control of the finished product. Chris and Vecta have two sons — Trevin, who works at Bobcat and is always busy chasing around his own young son, Sylas; and Treys, who is a Junior at Mandan High School and enjoys football, basketball, track and leisure jet skiing in the summer.

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It’s not too much of a stretch to say that Delton Kroh is the overall MVP for Verity Homes. Not only does he hold the positions of Warranty Manager, Service Manager and Customer Care Manager (for both Verity Homes and our rental division, Goldstar Properties), he’s the guy that can fix anything… and can teach you how to do it on your own. His experience, construction knowledge, passion and ability to put our customers at ease when concerns arise is the very definition of invaluable. Folks who’ve had the pleasure of working with Delton — be it a fellow Verity teammate or a customer with a warranty claim — will understand exactly why we speak so highly of him. Delton began his career with Verity Homes back in 2001, when our CEO, Arthur Goldammer, first started up Goldammer Contracting… and he’s been with us ever since. In all, he brings more than 37 years of building experience to the team and our customers. He first started framing homes in Washington, where he also earned an IT degree (back when floppy discs were all the rage). He has a keen eye for detail and being mostly self-taught in all areas of construction, he also has a knack for training and teaching others his craft. When the right tool for the job doesn’t exist, Delton machines it himself in his home workshop. When the trade partner may not honor their work, he steps up to fix the problem himself. When a rookie joins the team and has questions, Delton is the guy they go to for help. We could not ask for a better example of Verity Homes’ mission statement — Build Peace of Mind.

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Nicholas Skarphol joined the Verity Homes team in 2020 as a full-time drafter. He is a 2001 graduate of North Dakota State College of Sciences, earning his Associate Degree in Architectural Drafting and Estimating. Nicholas has spent his entire career in the construction industry, working both in the office as well as in the field. He and his wife have two kids, and when he’s not in the office working, chances are good you’ll find him on the ice coaching hockey and chasing kids on skates.

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Sally Goldammer wears multiple hats at Verity Homes. Part Accounting Manager, part Administrative Assistant and part “front of house” manager who always seems to know the answer when nobody else does, Sally has a way of keeping the day-to-day functions of both Verity Homes offices — Fargo and Bismarck — in check and moving forward. As one of two lead administrators for implementing and maintaining Verity’s various and interrelated software packages, Sally ensures the rest of the team has the tools they need to get their work done on behalf of our customers. As the Executive Assistant to Verity’s CEO — Arthur Goldammer, Sally’s big brother — she helps track, organize and coordinate all accounting activities, prepares critical operations reports and coordinates all on-site and in-house technical assistance requests. Prior to joining Verity Homes, Sally worked at Bismarck Surgical ASsociates as an Administrative Assistant, scheduling and maintaining confidential patient records and ensured those patients were effectively all while demonstrating an innate sense of compassion and care for patients and their families. At Verity, she brings that same level of passion and care to each of our customers.

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Matthew Riopelle joined the Verity Homes family as our Chief Operations Officer in the summer of 2020 after nine years in the United States Army. He is a Fargo native and graduate of West Point, where he earned his B.S. degree in Mechanical Engineering before going on to earn a Master’s Degree in Engineering Management from Missouri Science and Technology. Following West Point in 2012 he was commissioned into the U.S. Army as an Infantry Officer and spent the next eight years serving in a variety of positions — a Platoon leader in the 82nd Airborne Division, a Long Range Reconnaissance Instructor, and an Operations Officer. During his years of service, Matt deployed to both Afghanistan and Poland. Matt oversees all operational aspects of Verity Homes, covering both Fargo and Bismarck markets. His focus is working with our building and production teams to ensure a smooth experience for all of our customers. When he’s not at the office, Matt enjoys spending time with his wife, Allison, and their 2-year-old son, Odin and on his hobbies, including wood working in the garage and the occasional game of pick up hockey.